The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:
The Grooved Spheres

Over the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres. Origin unknown, these spheres measure approximately an inch or so in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found: one is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white; the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.

The Dropa Stones

In 1938, an archeological expedition led by Dr. Chi Pu Tei into the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of China made an astonishing discovery in some caves that had apparently been occupied by some ancient culture. Buried in the dust of ages on the cave floor were hundreds of stone disks. Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave.

The Ica Stones

In the 1930s, Dr. Javier Cabrera, a medical doctor, received a gift of a strange stone from a local farmer. Dr. Cabrera was so intrigued that he collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones. The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture); some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax, their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved.

The Antikythera Mechanism

A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.

The Baghdad Battery

Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?

The Coso Artifact

While mineral hunting in the mountains of California near Olancha during the winter of 1961, Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey and Mike Mikesell found a rock, among many others, that they thought was a geode - a good addition for their gem shop. Upon cutting it open, however, Mikesell found an object inside that seemed to be made of white porcelain. In the center was a shaft of shiny metal. Experts estimated that, if this was a geode, it should have taken about 500,000 years for this fossil-encrusted nodule to form, yet the object inside was obviously of sophisticated human manufacture. Further investigation revealed that the porcelain was surround by a hexagonal casing, and an x-ray revealed a tiny spring at one end, like a spark plug. There's a bit of controversy around this artifact, as you can imagine. Some contend that the artifact was not inside a geode at all, but encased in hardened clay. The artifact itself has been identified by experts as a 1920s-era Champion spark plug. Unfortunately, the Coso Artifact has gone missing and cannot be thoroughly examined. Is there a natural explanation for it? Or was it found, as the discoverer claimed, inside a geode? If so, how could a 1920s sparkplug get inside a 500,000-year-old rock?

Ancient Model Aircraft

There are artifacts belonging to ancient Egyptian and Central American cultures that look amazingly like modern-day aircraft. The Egyptian artifact, found in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt in 1898, is a six-inch wooden object that strongly resembles a model airplane, with fuselage, wings and tail. Experts believe the object is so aerodynamic that it is actually able to glide. The small object discovered in Central America (shown at right), and estimated to be 1,000 years old, is made of gold and could easily be mistaken for a model of a delta-wing aircraft - or even the Space Shuttle. It even features what looks like a pilot's seat.

Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica

Workmen hacking and burning their way through the dense jungle of Costa Rica to clear an area for banana plantations in the 1930s stumbled upon some incredible objects: dozens of stone balls, many of which were perfectly spherical. They varied in size from as small as a tennis ball to an astonishing 8 feet in diameter and weighing 16 tons! Although the great stone balls are clearly man-made, it is unknown who made them, for what purpose and, most puzzling, how they achieved such spherical precision.

Impossible Fossils

Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era.
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Pseudoscience
prove that its Pseudoscience.
The Antikythera device has recently been reconstructed after years of study, see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism#Michael_Wright
the truth is, no one knows anything for certain. The only constant so far in the history of Scientific knowledge is that it has been consistently wrong.
The grooved spheers are indeed geologically natural in origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere#Geological_explanation_of_their_origin
Pseudoscience is either accepting OR rejecting these curiosities out of hand without any attempt to either verify or disprove. Science is investigating, then forming and testing hyptheses.
The Antikythera Device is verified as an astronomical computer. Not pseudoscience.
The massive stone spheres of Costa Rica (as well as in Bosnia) are simply that, massive stone spheres. But at this point any attributions to who made them is speculation. Speculation is a good first step toward a scientific investigation.
No science can advance if the questions and curiosities that drive it are dismissed as psuedoscience before an investigation gets underway.
Rick Osmon
What sad pathetic lives the debunkers live who dismiss any anomolous or mysterious subject out of hand as psudoscience - of course impuning the investigator or open minded individual. Their negative and narrow belief system must instill for them a sense of intellectualism that actually betrays their own insecurity. It is actually more difficult to remain open minded, objective, and agreeable to opposing viewpoints, evidence, and possibilities then to simply shut them down. Life is a mystery for us all - we know not where we came from or where we are going and anyone who claims to know for certain from the athiest to the fundamentalists is still only guessing. The aformentioned artifacts only add to life's mystery and wonder - and how wonderful it is to let our imaginations lead our inquisitive minds along our investigations into their origins, purpose and legacy. Pseudoscience? Another word to consider - Paradigm.
There are several instatnces of things being found fossilized in coal lumps, or found in strata that is supposed to be millions of years old. Even tree trunks are found passing vertically through several layers of strata that is SUPPOSED to be millions of years old. The obvious thing, that should just jump out at everyone, is the possibility that MAYBE, just MAYBE, these astronomical figures of strata being millions and billions of years old just might be.... WRONG??? How do we know one layer is millions of years old, when there really isn't any accurate way to date something to these astronomical values? Probably the reason why these figures are accepted without criticism is because a certain, er... uh... "theory" REQUIRES millions of years. That theory being evolution. Oh, but don't DARE question the sacred cow of evolution.
Jake, you're right on.
But the world will never accept this.
There is a very good explanation for all of this....better than just saying the world is millions of years old and we can't explain it.
It's called God, creation, and the flood.
A world-wide flood that covers the entire planet in water as high as the tallest mountain would definitely have enough pressure to encase items and make them appear fossilized.
So how do we explain a human handprint that doesn't make sense because humans "supposedly" weren't around then? It's because it's not that old...exactly as Jake states.
The world is around 4000-5000 years old. You can trace it from its beginning in the Bible.
It's very possible that dinosaurs did roam the earth...they were just killed by the flood. That's why we find similar fossils in continents that are not even near each other.
Why are Christians so fucking dumb? I don't understand it.
Other beings from other worlds have capabilities far greater than humans. If you've ever heard that statement, 'no matter how good you are, there are a million people better than you' then the same principle applies to earth and other planets that are inhabited by more intelligent beings.
In the truest part of our hearts we can't be sure of anything, but its comforting to know that there are people who are willing to dream and believe the impossible. But I believe in the improbable, because nothing is impossible in this universe.
We all have one way of looking at this infinity that is our reality. Mine is my own. Take what I said with a grain of salt, because I may be wrong, but what I believe in makes me feel right in life.
^^^This man deserves a slow starting clap.
These artifacts are puzzling indeed! We may never learn of their origin or intent. What is even more puzzling is the intolerance of pov's that oppose our personal pov. For ex., the last annonymous (2:04pm) who said, "... christians are f------ dumb." Dude, chill. It is ok for an opposing point of view. You better hope you are right or there will literaly be Hell to pay!!! My Bible teaches that there are ancient wisdoms that were lost over time. So, in my mind, discovering some of this lost knowledge is awesome and fun. And maybe someday we will understand it.
Jake F., It's called radioactive decay.
We can measure minerals in rock and know from the radioactive isotopes present how old those rocks are. The isotopes decay in known ways, and at a known, constant rate.
We know for certain the planet is at least a billion and a half years old, from rocks that have been dated to that age.
There can be errors of interpretation, and so you can get a + / - error of a certain amount but the fact the Earth is very old is a fact.
As for the objects found in coal- they have pretty much all been found to be hoaxes, which the article doesn't mention.
"Oh, but don't DARE question the sacred cow of evolution."
Question it all you want, it's still correct. All the oldest organisms we have found, carbon dated, are simple, all the more recent ones are more complex, you can see in the fossil record... Evolution can be proved in a laboratory if you bombard bacterium with anitbacterials you end up with strains of the bacteria that are resistant to these drugs... unnatural selection. To deny the truth in front of you is insane.
What about the possibility of time travel? Maybe someone fro the future, while investigating the distant past, got a flat tire and couldn't make it home.
I agree with Quince here. Its clearly time travel. :)
Y DOES EVERYONE ALWAYS TRY TO SAY IT WAS "GOD".....THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF A GOD SO THE PEOPLE SAY THAT THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF HUMANS MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO ARE JUST HIPOCRITS.....AT LEAST THER IS SOME SORT OF HARD EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT HUMANS WERE HERE WHERE IS THE SOLID PROOF OF "GOD"?????
Anonymous, you make me laugh! You would rather believe in time travel than God? You think there is more scientific proof for time travel? Where are you getting your science, from sci-fi novels?
Who here is gettin' bent?? That anonymous guy above sure used big words, didn't he? No need to prove how totally awesome and sweet you must be by sounding like you're reading an excerpt from a fuckin' Thoreau novel. You are a beltsander of industrial strength proportion. AKA.....a tool.
The "Coso Artifact" has already been show to be a 1920s era Champion brand spark plug. Although the discoverer of this object found it while looking for geodes, the material surrounding the spark plug was not a geode, or even a rock.
Geodes consists of a thin outer shell, composed of dense chalcedonic silica, and are filled with a layer of quartz crystals. The Coso Artifact does not possess either feature. Discoverer Virginia Maxey referred to the material covering the artifact as "hardened clay" and noted that it had picked up a miscellaneous collection of pebbles, including a "nail and washer." Analysis of the surface material is noted as having a hardness of Mohs 3, which is not very hard and certainly much softer than chalcedony.
Instead of going to class today, I went through each of the purported ancient artifacts listed here. With the exception of the Antikythera mechanism and the Baghdad batteries, all are farces. Thanks for posting pure garbage.
I just hate the fact that when all our times come I won't be able to laugh in the face of those religious morons when there's hungry worms instead of pearly gates waiting for them.
Stonehenge anyone?
The image of the 1,000 year old golden object from Central America, depicted here and described as an "Ancient Model Aircraft," looks just as much like the underside of a member of the Elasmobranch subclass of cartilaginous fishes; like a shark or ray. In fact, it looks almost exactly like the underside of a small-toothed sawfish (which is found in the West Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico), but without the rostrum.
You can't prove or disprove God so there is no point arguing about it. But you can prove and disprove the things mentioned in the article with enough effort. Even if they all aren't genuine at least it makes some people realize they do not know everything and may spark the imaginative process in others. Cool ideas = better worlds.
WE ARE YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN GROWN BEYOND RECOGNITION FREE FROM TIME AND CAUSALITY AND CONSENSUS REALITY
WE ARE AMONG YOU IN GREAT NUMBERS WATCHING AND LAUGHING AND ENJOYING GREATLY THE IDEA OF DINOSAUR FARMS
WE SPEAK MAINLY IN CAPS THESE DAYS
WE FIND IT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE
THE MAN BEHIND THE CELEBRIGOD THAT CAME TO BE KNOWN AS JESUS IS HERE WITH US NOW PREPARING FOR ANOTHER MISSION TO THE MIDDLE-EAST TO RATTLE SHIT UP
HE IS TAKING HIS POCKET NANOREPLICATOR THIS TIME
HE HAS IT SET TO MAKE MACKEREL AND SCONES
"Y DOES EVERYONE ALWAYS TRY TO SAY IT WAS "GOD"."
For the exact same reason that religion was invented in the first place. They don't understand the reason why these things happened. Regardless of the fact that most of these are completely fake, the people who scream "IT WAS GOD" don't even stop to find out. They just immediately go to the easiest answer. Religion was created to make any easy answer to all the questions that where perplexing man. Unfortunately, even though science has actually proven the reason for most of these questions to be simple and not at all supernatural, mankind seems to cling to that security blanket that "God" just made it that way. Its a very clear sign of a simple mind which refuses to think, rather than just follow blindly through life.
JPeany - are those lyrics? who by please
"A world-wide flood that covers the entire planet in water as high as the tallest mountain would definitely have enough pressure to encase items and make them appear fossilized."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is comedy gold
I thought the article was retarded and written by someone who hasn't even looked up these ooparts, then I had the misfortune to read some of the comments. We're doomed as a species imo
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Everything eventually will be explained by either science or ignorance.
"Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories?"... Of course, that's how reasonable science is. Science allows for current theories to be improved upon or even discarded when new evidence disproves them. The same cannot be said for fundamentalist religions.
It's obvious that all religious people are, at best, mildy retarded.
You want to say we don't know exactly where we come from or how the universe began, I'm with you. You want to bash evolution when it's happening right now all around you and can experimentally be shown to occur, you're basically closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears while going "la la la la la". Science and religion/spirituality are two different things. Like apples and concrete. Bringing religious dogma to a scientific debate is like bringing a knife to a tank battle.
Didn't Space Jam disprove god?
bash god all you want. in the end, if I'm wrong i'm no better off than you are and we are rotting away. if you are wrong, u are soooooooo fucked hahahahaha
What each and everyone thinks happened before we were born is what we've read and been told. Often it just straight bs, and a lot of information that doesn't fit the official story is disregarded. I think pre human civilization is definitely a possibility, because if we can do it, why not something else? Point is, i don't know, and no one else can make that claim
Even with some basic research it is obvious that these "Ancient Artefacts" are puzzling only to those who choose to remain ignorant and live their own version of reality.
"bash god all you want. in the end, if I'm wrong i'm no better off than you are and we are rotting away. if you are wrong, u are soooooooo fucked hahahahaha"
I think laughing and going "neener neener" at the damned might be frowned on in Heaven.
As for the sacred cow - by the way, I've never burnt anything in evolution's honor, so the metaphor's a bit off - I have a proposal. Let's do away with wheelchair ramps and elevators, and see if you believe in natural selection then.
And yes, actually, there is more scientific support for time travel than God. Brush up on Einstein a bit. (He believed in God, by the way.)
"The same cannot be said for fundamentalist religions." Aw, don't be that way. Look at all the times the Catholic Church has reversed its stance on controversial issues. AND they stopped setting people on fire! Seriously, don't they deserve some credit for that?
(...stir stir stir...)
You can't see the waves connecting your cell phone conversation but you believe in it. You can't see God so you don't believe in him. Why do they find fish fossils on mountain tops? Why at the top of the Grand Canyon as well?
Followers of God will always be the under dogs and I'm fine with that. If your happy believing all of this came from a puddle of mud or a monkey then you shouldn't have a problem with your disappointing end.
You wouldn't understand faith until you actually have it, or experience an act of God, or an answer to prayer yet your so quick to bash us believers. No one here is calling you "fucking retards" for believing evolution. I'm sure God allows evolution to some degree as part of his plan.
Read about the Nephillim in the book of Enoch. That is one theory that has been looked past here. It's pretty interesting stuff. Also check out the book "The Nephillim Stargate."
There are so many things that do not fit current "scientific" models. There is a sort of mediocre mind that simply rejects evidence, if it does not fit the model, rather than realizing that IF there is evidence that it must be considered and pehaps the model adjusted or abandoned. Historically these changes have often required that the "authorities" pass away until the newer, more accurate idea becomes mainstream. The demise of the flat earth and the heliocentric concept of the solar system are two examples. It is clear that we do not have a full understanding of history. Hell, we even argue about WW II history.
With regards to God and science: Sincere pursuit of spiritual and scientific truth, if such efforts are not tainted by dogmatic preconceptions, must ultimately come to the same conclusions.
The Universe is in fact much stranger than any of us can grasp ;) Thank you all for excellent comedy =D. Love & Laugh are the only true gems that cannot be bought or faked.
Peace.
"the unknown Source"
You can "see" the waves connecting your cell phones. Just not with your eyes. But we have devices to see them.
Why are there fossils on top of the Grand Canyon? Next time you are there stop by the visitor's center and they will explain it to you. Hint, it doesn't mesh perfectly with your Noah's Ark theorem.
"Followers of God will always be the under dogs and I'm fine with that."
How is it that there are over 2 billion of you and you still consider yourself the "underdogs"?
Look at this:
"pie graph of religious population"
"The demise of the flat earth and the heliocentric concept of the solar system are two examples."
The solar system IS heliocentric. Helios is a Greek word for the sun. The sun is at the center of the solar system, which makes it heliocentric.
Our species was brought here to mine gold for the space travelers. whoever brought us killed off the indigenous people to protect it's workers. That's why you will find no 'missing link' between our breed and Neanderthal.
A divine entity created all and everything, that in no way means that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
Furthermore, Jesus was politician. He did not fix things with his harry potter majic wand, he did it with the gift of words and persuasive insight.
Johnson Underwood:
Perhaps I was not clear in what I was writing. My point was that the accepting of the heliocentric model of the solar system was greatly opposed by the authorities of the time and became mainstream when the old gaurd, with ridged beliefs, passed away.
Five minutes of google-ing provides an explanation for all of these. I do enjoy the commenter's who say 'skeptics are stupid for dismissing it out of hand.' In reality, believers are the foolish for accepting it out of hand. The default position for all claims is to not accept them (innocent until proven guilty, false until proven true). Regardless, the research has been done by the skeptics and the evidence sides with the skeptics on these claims. Oh also, science has been mostly correct and self correcting when wrong. Science made computers and the internet possible not aliens or woo-hoo.
"Jake F., It's called radioactive decay."
The best dating methods we have today are still an assumption. Some call it "SWAG" science. "Scientific Wild Ass Guess". In addition, the older something is, the error rate goes up exponentially. We don't know how old the earth is. We do know why - at least one reason, why so many insist the earth is billions of years old. Their theory evolution would require it. So any evidence of fraud, or error, or even younger earth is ignored because it would conflict with their theory.
"Oh, but don't DARE question the sacred cow of evolution."
Question it all you want, it's still correct. All the oldest organisms we have found, carbon dated, are simple, all the more recent ones are more complex, you can see in the fossil record... Evolution can be proved in a laboratory if you bombard bacterium with anitbacterials you end up with strains of the bacteria that are resistant to these drugs... unnatural selection. To deny the truth in front of you is insane.
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It isn't correct. 95% of the "Fossil record" is invertibrates. The fossils that are passed on to be "transitionals" make up less than .1%. This allows all sorts of room for wild speculations and fantasies. Carbon dating isn't accurate. It assumes a constant rate of decay. Here again the speculation leaves room for scientists to shoe-horn data to fit preconceived notions.
Bacteria evolving into... drum roll... bacteria. That is a very common bait and switch tactic evolutionists use. Show very minute variations within one thing, like bacteria, and then use it to claim these little variations can "create" another species. This is simply a just-so story, not science.
"To deny the truth in front of you is insane." This is a logical fallacy. You aren't talking about anything truthful in the first place.
When I read all these comments I see this highly polarized debate between religious fundamentalists and scientific fundamentalists. To my eyes, both sides appear to have very inflexible belief systems which are defended with arrogance. Both sides need to think they are right, and it is rare to find someone with humility enough to keep an open mind.
I think both viewpoints contain a genuine piece of the truth as well as a whole lot of interpretation.
To the athiests out there who say that there is no proof of God: there is the eyewitness testimony of billions of human beings throughout history and across every culture who say that they have experienced a spiritual reality. Generally speaking, overwhelming eyewitness testimony does carry some weight of credibility, at least in a court of law where people can be sentenced to death over it.
On the other hand, to blindly cling to some old religious stories when scientific evidence clearly proves otherwise is not "faith in God", it is just fear-based narrow-mindedness.
The scientific fundamentalists are so stuck in their heads that they literally block themselves from any spiritual perception. And then they feel sure it isn't there since they don't experience it.
The religious fundamentalists also can't percieve spiritual reality, because they are so obsessed with memorizing religious rules and stories and dogma that were passed on to them from whatever culture they grew up in.
Both camps suffer from the same delimna, and that's why they are so stuck in this polarized debate with each other. At the core, they have the same mind, and so they argue with each other, like a dog barking at his own reflection in a mirror.
Ivica Miskovic-
Did you, I dunno, *look up* any of this before posting? Because I found the explanation for the Klerksdorp spheres in about 30 seconds. I'm not trying to ruin your Christmas or anything, I'd just recommend maybe, possibly, if it's not too much trouble, you might want to do that. That way you won't write things like, "Who made them and for what purpose is unknown." Because... it's not. It's actually pretty well known.
And then the Dropa Stones. First, that isn't a picture of a "Dropa Stone". It's a Bi Disk, which have been found all over China. Dr. "Chi Pu Tei" may not even exist. The story originates from "Chariots of the Gods", for christ sake. That took a little longer. Like, five minutes.
It's not that some critics claim the Ica Stones were forged. It's that they *were* forged. Your Basilio Uschuya admitted to forging at least most of them, and he copped to it several times, once even demostrating how he did it for a BBC television crew. Honestly- did you look any of this up anywhere?
Good on the Antikythera device and the Baghdad battery. See? wierd stuff nobody had to make up! There are other theories on the battery out there, but that it *is* a battery is certainly one of them. 2 for 4! Oh wait, the Coso Artifact. The sparkplug surrounded by concretion due to completely natural processes. The one that nobody actually knows where it is. Well, 2 for 5. And that was 20 seconds of actual work.
First, knowledge evolves just like anything else. I call it all CBG, or Current Best Guess. This goes for any interpretation, whether so-called divine or so-called scientific in nature. We all live in our own fictions, part of the survival mechanism of any sentient, conscious being. I just like being overwhelmed with the wonder and the beauty, and then watch the unfolding. Extreme Patience instead of Extreme Opinion.
Well, yes, knowledge evolves. My problem, I guess, is the attitude that we can't "know" anything. That's bullshit. That leads to sloppy posts like this one, making claims that simply aren't true. It leads to people accepting unsupportable claims as fact. It leads to conspiratorial thinking. It leads to creationists blathering away like the fools they are. It leads, in short, to the kind of fucked-up world situation we have now. In other words, it burns my ass, I guess. Current Best Guess is pretty good though; I like that.
And I'm done. I'm turning into that XKCD strip: "Not now! THERE'S SOMEBODY WRONG ON THE INTERNET!"
I like penises
The answer is really quite apparent: this is conclusive evidence of time travel.
"On the other hand, to blindly cling to some old religious stories when scientific evidence clearly proves otherwise is not "faith in God", it is just fear-based narrow-mindedness."
Cite some examples of these old religious stories. What we find, in scripture is instance after instance of the Bible predating mans "scientific" discoveries by 1000s of years. The Bible isn't at odds with science. For Pete's sake, God created science. Neodarwinists prop science up as if it is some religious entity or "god" if you will, when science is simply knowledge gained by observation. If someone has their brain wired right, they can use science to observe creation and see God's handiwork in living things.
Faith in God isn't "fear based narrow mindedness". This statement, in itself is an indicator or ones narrow mindedness regarding faith. In actuality, it is impossible for anyone to live without faith. Even an atheist. The whole "fear based" argument falls flat on its face because in scripture we find the phrase "FEAR NOT" 365 times. That's literally a FEAR NOT for every day of the year. So if we have God telling us over and over to FEAR NOT, why on earth would someone call faith in God "fear based". I believe that cliche can only be used in ignorance.
I and and my friends crafted this stuff while traveling through time. Lighten the hell up.
Amusing chain of comments. Especially amusing are those that just blindly accept the tale as told. Some of these may be real, most are not. Here is the scoop:
Grooved Spheres (aka Klerksdorp sphere)...natural spheres (most are not perfectly round) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere
Dropa Stones...fanciful tale in the end - http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/dropa.php
Ica Stones...one person (Basilio Uschuya) actually admitted he made these in the end, and it was shown to be a hoax by a Spanish investigator - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones
Antikythera Mechanism...one of the real ones and a testimony to human ingenuity (certainly not the first technology to be lost and then reinvented or rediscovered) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_Mechanism
Baghdad Battery...man-made, but the electrical function is as much speculation as several other theories - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery
Coso Artifact...I'll leave this up to you, which is more likely, a 500,000 year old spark plug or simple concretion due to the iron content in the spark plug (my 8 year old can probably figure out the correct answer in that choice) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coso_Artifact
Ancient Model Aircraft...the Chinese made bamboo helicopter toys as long ago as 400 BC (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2007/11/gallery_helicopter), but in the case of the Egyptian "airplane", it is actually a model of a bird - http://www.catchpenny.org/model.html. As for the Central American "airplane"...just as likely to be a representation of a guitarfish not uncommon to the area - http://www.arkive.org/media/4D/4D14879E-6A69-4919-8CD5-D397A8F79774/Presentation.Large/photo.jpg
Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica...man-made as claimed, but not as perfectly spherical as claimed - http://web.ku.edu/~hoopes/balls/errors.htm
Impossible Fossils...hoaxes or exaggerations - Re: hand print - http://paleo.cc/paluxy/hand.htm; Re: sandal print - http://paleo.cc/paluxy/meister.htm
Out-of-Place Metal Objects...hoaxes or exaggerations again - Re: metal tubes http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/livet.php (tubes conveniently disappeared before serious examination could happen); Re: metal cube (aka Salzburg Cube) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburg_Cube; Re: iron pot http://paleo.cc/paluxy/ironpot.htm
In summary, stop being so quick to accept out of context information as if it was fact.
-Jake F.
Why do you only believe the stories of your religion are correct? Surely any made-up story could fit the bill.
And as for the inaccuracies of carbon dating, it is not the only mechanism used. There are various unstable isotopes that degrade at a constant rate, such as rubidium 87 which has a half life of 87 billion years. And the exponential increase of the rate of error? That is completely false. Most have a standard error of ~1%, which, in the case of rubidium, leaves a range of ~79 - 95 billion years. While this example in itself is not very useful for the age of the earth, there are numerous radioactive clocks that can be, and are, used to calculate the true age of the earth, which is far longer than 10,000 years.
All evidence for evolution is sound and reproducible (the most important aspect of scientific research), whereas belief in a higher power relies on hearsay. There is not a single religious argument that can effectively prove to another that there is a god.
Scientists are not happy with easy answers, we search for truth. We question. Blind faith is dangerous.
Also, I would like to ask a question. If your god is all loving, (I'm not sure of the book or verse, but "God is love"), what would it matter if we believed or not, as long as we were kind and good? Why would we go to hell for not going to church, saying a few prayers, and giving money to a corporate machine filled to the brim with corruption?
just for the record, wiki is not a legitimate citation or source, any moron can put anything in there, its knowledge by spamming, if enough people say it it must be true. No qualifications, research or education required, alot like these comments.
wiki, the bible, the koran, are not sources, their people speculating, erratically
Jake, I could not agree more that this farce called 'science' must be ignored. How could evolution be true when there are multiple accounts of fully-formed creatures springing from the dying flesh of Ysmir, the first of the frost giants?
Unfortunately I find your assumptions as to the cause of the flood erroneous. The world was covered in water when Ysmir died, slain by Odin and his sons. Ysmir's blood became the water and it flowed over his body, which had been the earth, but since giant/god time is different from our time the process of dying actually took several thousand years. The constant pressure of falling blood pounded pre-giant-death creatures into their so-called 'fossilized' counter parts.
Foolish naysayers will claim that the great frost giants and the Gods do not exist, but this is blasphemy. They *did* exist, but were all killed in Ragnarok, during which time the world was covered in ice for many years and the pre-ragnarok technologies (such as the battery and Antikythera device above) were lost in the tragic deaths that followed. The giants were lost too, but they didn't all die, most of them got away on a ship made from dead men's toenails.
Luckily Odin planned for the Ragnarok, and left two humans in a safe spot and left his sons to watch over them (and by proxy, us). If it were not for Odin's selfless thoughtfulness in humanity's time of need, we would not even exist today. I can't stand how some people don't appreciate the great give that the All-Father gave us! Ingrateful peons!
Anyway, back to what you were saying. Evolution? Total lie. But other than that, you need to get your facts straight.
Seriously with all the knowledge about the Bible and where those stories come from, I just don't see how anybody can take seriously anything in it. Most of the stories are ripped off and mutilated from other religions and cultures. So to trust anything the Bible says as truth is within itself almost ludicrous.
I am sorry but the ignorance that the world is but only 5000 years old, you have got to retarded. Seriously dont be this stupid.
However, while most of these items have been proven hoax's you cant deny some of the other wonders and lost knowledge. I find it fascinating and at times maddening. Fact is, depictions of possible Alien visitations are found in many ancient cultures. This could be explained as simply their imaginations trying to explain how the Gods travel and make contact, or possibly it is what it is, and might actually be what they seem to depict. What would be the error in that?
I do believe this world has been visited and helped along the way. Myself, call it what you will, but I believe the Gods, Angels and Demons described in so many religious texts were in fact visitors either from other times in our history, or other worlds.
While Evolution is certainly explains much of this world, it still doesn't explain how in the WORLD Humans are the ONLY species to reach our level of intelligence. There I believe is where intelligent design plays a role. However I do not believe it was a GOD or Gods. I simply think we have been helped by outside sources.
I might sound just as crazy as most Christians, but when I look at all the actual physical evidence its the most logical explanation I can come up with.
beowulf1877
Most of these have been proved/disproved. The spark plug for example is a spark plug. The geologist got it wromg about the rock.
But a swatch got found in a coal recently. There will be a better explanation than a Julian May novel
anyone fancy a beer
fucking trolls
The Stone spheres have been debunked.
They were made by the native americans.
they arent perfectly spherical.
and they could be made with nothing but hammers and some basic measuring devices.
What blows the theory of evolution all apart, is the pre-cambrian and cambrian extinctions of 70% of all life forms.
If life evolves in ever greater forms, then why were there MORE lifeforms then, in the earlier earth history, than now?
I want to believe the truth, just as soon as it is proven.
Until then, I will read all the books by Erich Von Daniken which totally question everything, and seem to never answer my questions!
And, for all PC users, for freedom, stability, security and the power of true parallel processing, I recommend that alien gift to humans, http://LinuxMint.com
"If life evolves in ever greater forms, then why were there MORE lifeforms then, in the earlier earth history, than now?"
Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
Please.
why do people believe in god
why do people believe in adam and eve
It has been white washed into our heads over many a generation,just like the old wives tales we know and love.
what I believe
how I believe
why I believe
is my belief
You cant take that away, no matter what your belief is, however, i will respect your belief and have a debate on the matter, I cant tell you that you are wrong, because I dont know if I am right
this is a troll of epic proportions
win on you good sir, for getting the christfags and atheists up in arms
let the flamewar continue.
You can't just say that all science is incorrect just because it has been before. That's like saying someone can't ride a bike because they fell off of one when they first started riding.
"Why are Christians so fucking dumb? I don't understand it."
Seriously this was the best one out of the all of comments.
I would love to flex my intellectual might, but I don't see the advantage in doing so. I will leave you with this little quote thou.
“Our place among the stars is exact, but our purpose is unanswerable.” -Cody Cook
"It's very possible that dinosaurs did roam the earth...they were just killed by the flood. That's why we find similar fossils in continents that are not even near each other."
http://gath.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/noahs-ark-and-the-dinosaurs1.jpg
I think that people need to learn to be quiet. Shoving what you believe down any-ones throat is not a way to be heard or validated.
Both science and religion involve a great amount of faith, arguably misplaced, in whatever you chose to be the correct theory.
Arguing and name calling about things such as this is reminiscent of a couple of 4 year olds aruging about whose dad is better. They both have ultimate faith they are correct and nothing anyone says will change there mind.
Agree to disagree, and then move on. Childish disagreements help remove validity and seriousness from the quest for truth.
B
I believe in two things and y'all'll think this is hilarious. My two main beliefs are Pascal's Wager and Clarke's Third Law.
Many of these have good wikipedia articles about them, including the grooved stones and the Ica Spheres, among others. The Ica Spheres are likely fakes -- this is well documented. The grooved stones are natural phenomena and well-understood.
It seems possible, though highly unlikely, that these objects prove Noah's flood, God's love, the Genesis Creation Myth, and ancient hyper-intelligent extraterrestrials all at the same time.
science is a great method, but it has no tools, and so can only measure a small fraction of reality.
I like dug out canoe dated as 200,000 years old which was found to have been built by boy scouts 12 years earlier. If you want to see history, you have to go to the Akashic record, oh but that wouldn't be science would it. I dont buy all that fairy tale religious dogma created to control the unthinking masses either, but only a fool would throw out the baby with the bath water!
i've never read such an interesting list that was commented on by so many close-minded neanderthals. they have theirs, you have yours, and i have mine.
i know it absolutely kills me whenever someone else's ideas, beliefs, or conclusions differ from my own.
you all sound like muslims sects.
i liked the spark plug; the round stones are really cool, and the ica stones were too interesting not to google further.
thanks, op.
No one talks for me.......not Bush, not T.V. evangelists, not Jesse Jackson, not the Pope, not Jesus, not the person who wrote the article, not scientists and definitely not the religious right (they are seldom either). Thank you for destroying everything good by hurting each other over such trivial things. Who cares if you believe in me or not? It doesn't matter because you are here now and should be nice to each other because really that is the only thing that you have to offer one another.
Thanks for listening,
God
P.S. The least intelligent have the loudest voices, I did that so you could identify them quickly.
Your belief in god is merely your inability to accept the mortality and insignificance of mankind in the grand scheme that is the universe and even the planet. We will be but a blink in time a few hundred thousand years from now. We will have come and gone without even being noticed by any other species that may exist even in our own galaxy. I exist here and now. My link to the future will be in what I teach my children and hopefully they pass on, but still, that will pass into oblivion but a few generations down the line. Christians are not stupid, they are just human. They fear the unknown. They justify their meaning. We have separated ourselves from every other creature on the planet by not accepting our purpose in life which is to survive long enough to procreate. Too bad the christians have practically made a crime out the second par of that...
Some of these finds are genuinely man-made devices that we haven't found an explanation for yet(or have, but sensationalist media ignores it in favor of outlandish theories that get more attention), others are natural phenomena that are passed off as man made. The danger is that they are presented here together, where they are ALL presented as man-made, "unexplained" phenomena. That's pretty standard charlatanry: mix the truth with falsehoods and the unknown in order to decieve people better.
The people who believe in the theory of Atlantis or a "Precursor Race" like Von Daniken or Rand Flem-Ath are Euro-Centrists who have trouble believing that so-called "savages" had capabilities comparable to Europeans, or Creationists/Fundamentalists who cling to their dogma in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence.
The fact is, the article is either purposefully misleading or badly researched.
Disregarding finds or label them pseudoscience without thorough investigation, isn't very scientific. Just because something seems strange, extraordinary or simply not fit in the accepted theories of history and science, does not automatically mean its a hoax or wrong. Through time we have learned, if anything, that we do not know everything, in fact we know quite less than we pretend. Most of our science is indeed theories, some proven more than others, however unless we have a machine that can accurately show the history of man, we can never know for certain what has existed in the past.
Personally I see these finds astonishing, but view them with skepticism, like anyone should.
But I do think that the history of mankind is way more complicated than we pretend to know it is today.
What is ludicrous today is tomorrows knowledge.
I'm trying to be quiet, I have company sleeping in the same room but I burst out laughing anyway at "I'm sure God allows evolution as part of his plan"
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
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Assuming mankind doesn't wipe itself out any time in the distant future, I'd say sooner or later we'd probably work out the kinks of time-travel. And yeah, I'd believe that over god, to be frank with you.
At Anonymous // November 8, 2009 9:03 PM
I'm sorry. The whole point of science is to not require faith, which is belief without evidence, but to actually have evidence for your explanation.
haw haw haw..."Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C.," so tell me, how did the writer know jesus would be born in eighty years...LOL as the second poster demanded, the very article itself proves it's pseudoscience.
Given the Machiavellian nature of the species, acquiring time travel would bring about the end of our species.
Now if we weren't able to travel through time, but were able the witness things happening throughout the past. Then there is a degree of hope for the future.
Imagine the degree of clarity we would be afforded if able to watch history as it happened. It'd make the Historians very happy as it would permit events to be witnessed as they occurred.
"No one here is calling you "fucking retards" for believing evolution."
It's because we actually have a basis for our beliefs, which is science. You have a mostly fictional book written 2000 years ago by humans that didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground, so they made some shit up. Oh, and -
"If your happy believing all of this came from a puddle of mud or apes then you shouldn't have a problem with your disappointing end."
Fixed that for you.
People are getting more and more intelligent every day, and as we all know modern technology and society has no use for god...god is irrelevant. god is dead!!!
No hard feelings to you Christians.
your gonna have to think of a new drive for life, how about some random acts of kindness. soon we will abolish all types of religion realizing they are all just hidden political structures with a dash of mysticism. that is all.
Google the book "Secrets of the Lost Races" by Rene Noorbergen
I've come to the conclusion that the extremely religious aren't going to stop being extremely religious. Religion is comforting, it is a great explaination for the unknown. It is the natural evolution in life from the passifier and the blankie. I personally don't trust 100% the history that has been written within the last 50 years. More simply put, noone has pure clear, unbiased and truthful reccolection of their own history, let alone the history of those around them. So, forgive me if I, personally, am not going to chart the coarse of my life by a book that was written 1500 years or so ago by isolated athiests (original meaning being a deny'er of current popular religious beliefs) who were really just a cult of Judaism. History is a wonderful story that constantly evolved with new information and new facts. The bible is a story that hasn't changed much since the mid 1600's. (yes, it changed a lot from version to version and with each translation. "Thou shalt not murder", not kill. murder only applies to fellow believers.)
I don't have any need for a counter argument, and I really am not going to check this site again. I have no reason to. Every person is allowed the right to live their own lives without the interference of the religion of others. Science is not a religion, it is logical conclusions come to after examination of facts and data. Religion is blind assumptions and faith. More power to you if you are religious and happy with it. I am happier as an athiest (today).
It's sad when people believe that all Christians take the Bible's stories literally. As a Catholic, I was brought up to believe that the Bible isn't a history book. It's not about "historical truths", it's about "religious truths". God didn't create the world thousands of years ago, the point of the story is that God created man.
Of course, a lot of Christians do take these stories literally, but please, don't confuse that will all of us.
But anyways, interesting artifacts...
About the Baghdad Battery, it may have been used as a religious experience. The people who invented it most likely did not know about electricity, and thought that the sensation that went through their bodies if used in a certain way (getting electrocuted) was a way of one of their Gods (or their God) speaking to them.
This post was merely speculation, and All I did was paraphrase Mythbusters.
I agree with Jake F. But, the one thing that I always think of is the fact that we've been carbon-dating things for like 60 years, and we can say (with "certainty") that an object is X million years old. How do we know that the decay of Carbon-14 is not exponential. On the graph y=x^2, there is a portion that appears to be linear/flat/constant. How do we know (for certain) that in the widow of time the we've been able to observe, that C-14 decay is constant. 5 or 6,000 years is plenty enough time to introduce significant statistical/mathematical errors. Assuming that the Earth were 4.5 billion years old, 60/4,500,000,000 = 0.0000000133333333... There is no mathematician in the world that would tell you that this is a sufficient sample size. Another thing I think about is the fact that an animal as large as a T-rex would have to eat an incredible amount of food. Have we unearthed enough fossils to support a sustainable diet for an animal that large (or packs of animals that large)?
many stone spheres around the world are found, check Kettle Point in Southern Ontario Canada, definitly geographical in origin
For all of those that don't believe in the process of evolution (and even if you do) just take a look at this indisputable proof. ;)
Evolution Revolution!
Physics folks... physics. The expansion of the universe and the stretching of space time goes a long way to bridge between the hard headed misinterpretations on both sides of the spectrum here. Although some of the nonsense spouted by folks above is just ridiculous. I'm just saying think about it.
(just as a start... i know about the items in the article... most of them has been disproved but the "computer" is still quite cool and is actually a real artifact)
Science is fact-based. Religion is faith-based.
So one thought.. Why are there so many different religions? How is it that they can show some links to a faro in Egypt to the the Christian/Muslim faith? (do a google-search on "christian faith egyptian sun god"). The problem i have with religions is that they all have so many contradictions.
Just take one example.. Jesus was the son of god, but there is really only one god.. But the holy trinity says they are all the same... And in other references it says that you cannot look at good because you would die, but still people did not die because of Jesus... Another example is the thing with gods hand that comes down... Would people not die from that too?
Another thing... The commandments.. One of them says that you shall not kill. But still many wars and horrible things has been done "in the name of the lord" and even the bible/koran tells you to kill.
I don't say that there is no god... but i do think that most religions are wrong.
About the age of the earth...
The genesis has been translated so may times also so it's hard, but doing some searching on the web there has been quite recent talk about that it might been incorrectly translated..
"Young's Literal Translation" ( http://yltbible.com/genesis/1.htm ) does translate it this way..
"In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth -- 2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters"
So how's it gonna be.. In this translation it's accepted that the earth is much older and does not speak about actually creating it..
Also check this info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
"Samarium-neodymium dating method
Main article: Samarium-neodymium dating
This involves the alpha-decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half life of 1.06 x 1011 years. Accuracy levels of less than twenty million years in two-and-a-half billion years are achievable."
20 million years inaccuracy for a 2.5Billion year old sample. So not really an exponential increase in inaccuracy..
And btw, I'm agnostic ie i don't believe in any god but i don't refuse the idea that there might be one... I just think the evolution theory holds more merit than some all-powerful god..
Hey, i can even say that i think it's more probable that we where placed on this planet by some alien species as an experiment than to believe in god..
And one thing to all those christian-fundementalists...
If you are going to disprove something then do some real research to back your "evolution is wrong" idea on. 20 minutes of searching the web i found enough to disprove all the statements in these posts and found some valid points against the possibility of a god.
You should all just read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You'll all feel much, much better about yourselves.
if you don't believe in evolution then you have the mental capacity of a dropa stone. believe in god and creation and all that but you denying evolution is like denying our solar system is heliocentric.
Decca13, 2776- Recent developments in submarine technology based on historic records have enabled New Earth scientists to finally probe the continental shelf, where they have discovered tall ruins of strange buildings made of glass and steel. Dr. Mingus, leader of the expedition, commented that these ruins are from a primitive civilization that existed before the Big Flood. "We suspect that the cause of rising sea levels was the habit in those days of steeing fire to the last remains of huge fossilized deposits of ancient biomass. Why they did this when it was so obvious that it would cause the meltdown of both polar regions begs the question whether they were an intelligent people, or just reckless fools addicted to power and speed."
In amongst the ruins they found the corroded remains of what appears to be portable communication devices using microprocessor technology that was common back then. Some of the artifacts show an emblem denoting an apple with a bite missing, leading to specilation that the inhabitants were well aware that they were about to be cast out of "the Garden".
Dingo: brilliant!
10 Things Scientists and Christians Should Agree Upon
1. You Can Do Terrible Things in the Name of Either One
2. Both Sides Really Do Believe What They're Saying
3. In Everyday Life, You're Not That Different
4. There Are Good People on Both Sides
5. Your Point of View is Legitimately Offensive to Them
6. We Tend to Exaggerate About the Other Guy
7. We Tend to Exaggerate About Ourselves, Too
8. Focusing on Negative Examples Makes You Stupid
9. Both Sides Have Brought Good to the Table
10. You'll Never Harass the Other Side Out of Existence
Humans are so arrogant yet so stupid.The truth stares us in the face yet blindly humans fail to see it.
Ok, let's try to use a bit of discernment. First, not all the "artifacts" are, in fact, artifacts. Artifacts are manmade. Calling them "artifacts" assumes the conclusion. Second, as to faith being for only the unitelligent, many great thinkers, Aquinas, Thomas Moore, G.K. Chesterton, and Pope John Paul II, were all men of unquestionably high intellect and prolific writers, studied by acedemics today.
Third, as for knowing such things as the age of the Earth, evolution, and the existence of God,we cannot. We can simply use reason and observable date to reach logical conclusions. At the end of the inquiry, there is a leap of faith if we claim to know.
"prove that its Pseudoscience"
The asseryion that the Dropa Stones contain unknown Hieroglyphics that tell of visiting spaceships is proof enough that it is pseudoscience.
i. If the Hieroglyphs exist why have they not been made public?
2. If the Hieroglyphs are in the unknown ('Dropa') language how can anyone translate them?
3. If no one knows the dropa language or its hieroglyphic script, how can any credibility be tied to the ga-ga assertio that the stones tell of , quote, "visiting speceships".
Gullibility is one thing. Insulting the layman's intelligenceis another. The twaddle about the 'Dropa Stones' is pseudoscience of the most juvenile kind
First off , i've had great fun reading all of these comments. what a debate *lol* .
i am on the side of science, not purely but mostly because of the ridiculousness of religion . i come from a religious irish (roman) catholic family. my mother sings in the choir every sunday. i'm 26 now and havn't been to mass since i was 14. at first like any good boy i went to mass and actually listened and for the most part believed these incredible (and sometimes scary)stories. but after my second level education started, i started to question my faith and realised that they were just stories.
an earlier comment about god being very good so why if we didn't believe but led a good life would he send us to hell? that was my first question and has nothing to do with science.
other comments from the religious side. were about how in the bible it says "have no fear" like 300 odd times . but that to me seems like a mother repeating "its alright , its alright" when their child bumps its head. it distracts from the fact that the bible is using fear to control the simple people of the time. the idea of right and wrong was not so clear in those times and the more intellegent (weaker)people needed a way to feel more safe in such a turbulent inviroment . so the power of religion was the obvious way to go. simple as they were, most people had their own ideas about religion. but the bible had an advantage over most as it had a clear message of hope. this is what got people to follow the bible ,but fear of not following its rules is what kept people following it . and fair play to the writers as their book has a massive cult following 2000 years later.
see that had nothing to do with science but still proves you're wrong . dumb religious followers.
and just quickly . i do believe in evolution , and the chaos theory intrigues me. just thought i'd add a non scientific explanation.
damn thats a long comment :)
OBVIOUSLY GOD CREATED EVERYTHING BUT WHO CREATED THE HIM?OR WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WAS UP TO BEFORE US MAYBE CREATING OTHERS WORLDS.LOVE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS GUYS.
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from the usa;
the reactions to this post have made very good reading indeed, I can't believe I read them all. Which brings me to my point, the internet was created for one and only one purpose; masturbation. You have cut into my wanktime considerably and now I'm going to have to run off a quickie instead of a nice leisurely go, because y'know, life gets busy, for those of us who have one. I'll throw down a challenge,
one of you find me a sweetly scented daughter of eve to couple with friday night and i will at least grant you Intelligent Design, and just to be thorough, the experiment will have to be repeatable, so i'm leaving saturday open as well. And lastly, scientists are not evil and creationists are not stupid (swallows hard). All science says is 'is it true, lets check it out, is it repeatable, is it real, what are its characteristics, we'll make a list, would it hold up in court if someone's life depended on it? Yes? No? Sometimes under some circumstances? You get the idea. This kind of looking at things to see if they're really true has led to alot of bubble bursting. You should be glad, huzzah, there is no boogie man, we know, we looked, now you can rest easy. We made you some cool stuff like penicillin and the polio vaccine. And as for you creationists, I don't think you give your God enough credit. Moses was telling campfire stories that the people of his time could understand. Jesus, spoke in parables, whats a parable, its a story thats not necessarily true, but used to prove a point! So,if you don't mind, I have some
experimenting of my own to do. Peace.
Re: anon for USA . . . . Wanker . . . Go find your own!
proof of time travel
People who talk trash behind names like Anonymous, impress no one. Radio active decay rates would be great if the Earth had been surveyed all those billions of years ago, but I don't know anybody who was around back then. Then we would need someone to sit around and catalog all great and small meteor impacts. Ooh,no one on the job there either. I guess you must have gotten your decay tables during a vision of The Virgin Goddess Science and her hunchbacked brother Evolution?
Surely, only you possess all true knowledge, Saint Anonymous.
I love how everyone on here is arguing about God and evolution and shit. Like, who gives a fuck? Let the other believe what they want to believe and get the fuck over it. I'd probably side with evolution, but hey, I still think there probably is some sort of God too. Jesus Christ though grow the fuck up people. It's people like the one's in this room why we've been warring since the dawn of time. Complete jackasses who can't just let shit go and let someone else have a different idea. Instead it's just one side telling the other "At least I know I'm going to heaven, unlike you dumbshits. Hahahaha" and then the other "There is no God you idiot, quit being a single-minded fuck." When, in all reality, everyone commenting on this page will be dead in the next 100 years unless there are serious medical advancements. It doesn't matter worth a single shit. Just get the fuck over your single-minded one ways the right way ideas and cooperate instead of making shit on this planet worse by pointless arguing.
If this is pseudoscience... THEN WHO WAS PHONE?!
If God is Perfect, as the bible says he is, then his creations are perfect.
We have science, which is based in fact.
So a perfect god would build perfect rules for a perfect universe. The concept of god having different laws which he would use is Imperfect.
Science and God are NOT in opposition, the Creator simply knows all the Rules, where we, as mere creations, must obey all the rules, but as of yet do not KNOW all of the.
200 years ago it was impossible for us to fly, to communicate across great distances, to build create fusion! We have since learned the rules to these 'Impossibilities' and know do them with ease.
God Knows all the rules, there for he has no limits. Do dismiss Science as Un-Godly is closed minded and simplistic, and thought lines along that pattern have historically lead to some of the greatest atrocities in human history.
I leave with two quotes,
"Science of a suitably high level is Indistinguishable form MAGIC"
"Those who do not learn form history are doomed to repeat it."
I'd like to officially nominate this comments thread for consideration for the "Biggest Collection of Retards in One Place" award.
OBVIOUSLY, This is the PERFECT forum for having a vigorous, yet surely civilized debate about the merits and drawbacks of the scientific method... and religion... and the theory of evolution. Bravo, everybody!
No matter what is discovered or accepted as fact, be it scientific, religious or mystic, it has gone no further than the surface of our little insignificant speck of a world. We are naturally(?) arrogant in believing we have intelligence, spending all of our recorded history trying to fathom the closet we live in and never experiencing the rest of the house. We have no way of measuring intelligence or fact because we are all we know. Consider what Solomon said: "All is vanity". Ponder this: If humanity never existed, would this universe matter? You can exhaust every tenet of logic, imagination and belief and always come back to the same fundamental declaration that we know nothing, and without ourselves to give worth, we are nothing. Charles Manson when asked "Who are you?" may have hit it correctly with the answer "Nobody".
We as humans can't be thousands of years ols......look how fast we screw up everything around us
What is the point of showing a picture in thumb nail size with no chance of seeing a
“full size” picture where one can see some detail. More and more sites are resorting
to this when the rest of the page is empty or has little or nothing to do with the
story or picture, what is the point of even bothering to post it. TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!
"The world is around 4000-5000 years old. You can trace it from its beginning in the Bible."
Its sad that the majority believes this shit.
...The world's just a LITTLE older than 4,000-5,000 years old...
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/malachite-man.htm
I am eager to hear the comments on this one.
"The Bible isn't at odds with science. For Pete's sake, God created science."
Uhhh... Would that be why the Catholic church used to excommunicate or condemn scientists? In 1893, Pope Leo XII wrote "It should be remembered that the sacred writers, or more truly the Spirit of God who spoke through them, did not wish to teach men such truths as the inner structure of visible objects which do not help anyone to salvation." I may be an atheist now, but I haven't always been. And of all the times I've read the bible, I don't believe I ever saw that in it. Why would a pope just make up something like that? He clearly didn't want scientists to try & disprove god or religion when the Catholic church pretty much ruled the world at the time.
Someone needs to make a way to block all religious websites/comments cause I'm tired of people always arguing about it. There is no possible way to prove/disprove religion or evolution. So why argue?? You'll find out when you die if you were right or not.
As for me, I'll never die. I was never even here. Cause I'm gonna hop in my time machine & go get drunk off some wine with jesus. Maybe we'll go hunt some dinosaur before he dies.